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‘Truth Isn’t Truth’: Giuliani Talks Perjury, Host Laughs at Him in Strange Interview


Attorney Rudy Giuliani said Sunday that he doesn’t want his client President Donald Trump to walk into a “perjury trap.” Meet the Press host Chuck Todd pushed back, and this culminated in the former NYC Mayor saying, “Truth isn’t truth.”

“I’m not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury,” he said. “And when you tell me that he should testify because he’s going to tell the truth and he shouldn’t worry, well that’s so silly because it’s somebody’s version of the truth. Not the truth.”

“Truth is truth,” Todd said.

“No, it isn’t truth!” Giuliani shot back. “Truth isn’t truth!”

Todd said this was going to become a “bad meme.”

“Don’t do this to me,” Giuliani said.

“Don’t do ‘truth isn’t truth’ to me,” Todd said.

But back to Giuliani’s point.

“Donald Trump says ‘I didn’t talk about Flynn with Comey,'” he said. “Comey says, ‘You did talk about it.’ So tell me what the truth is.”

This interview comes amid the everlasting dance between the Trump administration and Mueller’s team. Will Trump voluntarily sit down for an interview? In the past, his team voiced a willingness to do so. This hasn’t happened yet.

Trump’s critics often suggest he might have committed obstruction of justice by firing FBI Director James Comey amid a probe into the president’s election campaign allegedly colluding with Russia in 2016 election interference. Some legal analysts argue Trump was just exercising his powers under the constitution.

Comey claimed the president asked him to drop an investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, which itself had been viewed by some as obstruction. Trump has denied this.

[Screengrab via Meet the Press]

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